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#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 12 2001 at 9:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tunare was killed refcently on...tunare. The guild Da'Pi'okor did it. Here's how: 5 chanters, 15 clerics, all 55+. 20 lvl 45-60 warriors (JUST warriors), 15 Wizzs and other blasters. The tanks encircled her, and began hacking away... and the blasters blasted after the tanks made enough hate.(This sounds like a normal raid, right?) Well, they all used the same weap, and this allowed them to hit in turns. (The weap was jagged blade of war, of course.) This allowed them to taunt off each other, so no tank took all the dmg. They had a few clerics then go and cast group complete heal on them, the heal only reaching 10 tanks max out. After about 5 Group heals, they rotated in other clerics, this minimized hate, leaving clerics alive...very important. 3 times a wiz was agro'd..and Tunare didnt have enough time to cast, so after about 10 tries of her silence (targeted, definently NOT AoE) she proceeded to walk over and whack them, ouch. When this happened, one of the two rez designated clerics rezzed them, with FM raring to go. This procedure got tunare to half health, when one of the guardians decided it was time to spawn.. he began to cast aoe silence, which hurt the efforts, during the silence tunare took out 2 tanks...ouch. The guardian could NOT be taken out, so the very smart guild brought out THE weapon for the situation. The guild gifts..these are weaps made especially for guilds when they are formed...they go to the leader and the officers..they are called ancient swords for this guild..They are 1,2 weaps; that's right, 1,2..these interupted the guardian's casting like nothing else, especially with Speed of the Shissar..though I dont think it made a big difference. Eventually, they dragged her down. the guardian wiped out a very large amount of the raiders, 6 survived, 4 tanks and 2 clerics..ouch. They looted after the rezzing..and it was disappointing. Here's the rundown: Shrub of creation: slot-range, 5 charges of shrub of creation..summons a magic/nodrop/lore item that has 1 charge of blessing of the creator-a spell that is almost identical to cleric death pact...when a person gets 0hp, they regen all health/mana/stam..retaining all buffs. Not too bad there, considering it's a Dru item.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 17 2001 at 10:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i just want to say BULL **** for one thing swords are not made for guilds at least not for any guild on my server i made a guild and we where give no such swords so your ****** lieing about that and if the things got off aoe silence once boom your dead so shut you you damn liar
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 13 2001 at 4:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What did yea dream next little boy?
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 12 2001 at 7:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i know this is a little weird but why does she have that little hole in her dress, it looks like a doorway for gnomes, halflings, and dwarves i mean for godsake IS that how she gave birth to all the dang elves, its a freakin gnome highway!
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 11 2001 at 2:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pff. Stop whining. They didn't use tactics. They exploited bonuses of spells and manipulated the game so that they could beat him.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 11 2001 at 10:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) btw, Tunare is the mother of the dark elves too, the dark elves are from the original high elf royal family, just twisted after 3 centuries of psychological and physical attack by Innoruuk. in the manual he looks a bit like tunare, long arms, claws for fingers (altho tunare doesnt look anything as much like her sketch art as inno does), maybe the elves were a family feud between the prince and the great mother ;)
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 4:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tunare is the Mother of All, not the "Wood Elf mother" or "druid goddess." She created ALL ELVES.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 11:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, Sleeper would of been killed........the guild Conquest devised a strategy to beat Verants "Unbeatable" dragon, the Sleeper aka Karafyrm, which quads for insane amounts of damage, and dts everyone in the zone, including NPCs, anyway, Conquest used clerics epics to 1) manaless (and no pearl cost) CoHing the tanks by a class that isn't suppose to have such abilities (removing aggro) and healing the tanks 1500hps with no aggro to the cleric.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 11 2001 at 12:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They used those tactics on the 4th warder mensa, Verant spawned the sleeper to stop the 'exploit'.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 8:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im a 60 druid... i soloed her! j/k who cares. get something easier to kill
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 12:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) she's got nice boobs
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 12:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes she is pretty hot..never have i seen a god that makes me think such SINNNNFUL thoughts ahhaha
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 12:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes she is pretty hot..never have i seen a god that makes me think such SINNNNFUL thoughts ahhaha
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 12:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Man I have to tell you, you have crafted BEAUTIFULLY a paragraph summarizing PERFECTLY the exact way i feel as well...bravo man...i TOTALLY agree with you. It is BEYOND me as well why people in this game have the need to kill EVERYTHING...its like they don't sit down and try to have fun(most of them anyway). They concentrate SO MUCH on getting all the best stuff and getting Level 60 that not once do they think about actually having a GOOD time...because it IS a game...and it IS supposed to be entertaining... not just mindless work with NO fun...because it shouldn't just be about building yourself up with "phat lewt" and killing things and getting all the money...because that will turn it into a job...and unlike a REAL job...you really don't gain anything from it in the end...
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 4:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) She is a HIE in looks kuz -------> HIGH ELF=Supposed royalty of elves. And NO TUNARE IS NOT THE MOTHER OF ONLY THE WOOD ELVES AND SHE IS A GOD SO SHE COULD HAVE TAKEN ANY FORM SHE WISHED. Oh and one more thing, she has some cute looks like that (hehe High Elves a hot)
#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 4:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
Alright, I think we've all had enough
# Jun 05 2001 at 4:48 AM Rating: Good
Okay boys and girls, let me make one thing straight. Tunare has NOT been killed yet. anyone who posts saying she has without a LINK to show proof, should have their post rated awful so it falls through filters and we dont have to deal with it anymore. I'll lay it down for everyone so we can get this straight:
Tunare has not been killed for the following reasons:

1. She summons the entire zone to her, so in order to kill her you have to clear ALL mobs. Protectors of growth have a 27 minute spawn, so you need alot of people who know how to raid.

2. Her Guards. AOE silence, I dont know if they've been killed yet but I'm sure they have. Nuff said.

3. She's supposedly got 400khp. HOWEVER, I heard a rumor from a GM that EQ will not allow for them to make mobs with more than 32khp. To compensate for this, alot of mobs has INSANE HP REGEN rates, making it seem like they've got tons of hp. Until anyone shows me a numeric value for her hp and not a red bar, I shall still believe that's possible.

4. Alot of guilds really aren't out to kill Tunare. They're bigger targets that are easier, and drop alot of good loot. Consequently, Most rangers/druids do alot of quests and dont want to ruin their faction. Yelinak, Sleepers Tomb, Temple of Veeshan are the targets of most uberguilds. (By the way, the SLEEPER HAS NOT BEEN KILLED AND IT NEVER WILL. It's mathematically impossible to kill it. Even if the entire server could survive linkdeath, zonecrashes and GET the key, the Sleeper would tear them apart and only lose a sliver of hp.)

I've talked to Afterlife, Triton, Dakor and a bunch of other powerful guilds and as I know so far Tunare has not been taken down. Unless you have a good point, PROOF, or tactic suggestions on how to take her down (200 level 60's doesn't cut it, no server has 200 level 60's), just dont waste our time. I'm looking for someone who has killed her and I'm sure alot of other people are.

There. I've ranted. I feel better.

#REDACTED, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 7:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually I heard from someone that a guild got booted from EQ and all their accounts banned because they woke the sleeper and whooped him with a pathing cheat code or something. I guess Verant caught on about it in the log and dropped their accounts. Dunno how true this is, it could be only hearsay. /shrug
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 19 2001 at 1:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This happened on Lanys. The guild, Conquest was fighting the warders, and using rez effects to cancel the 4th warder's AE Breath weapon (slow).
RE: Alright, I think we've all had enough
# Jun 19 2001 at 1:58 PM Rating: Default
Bah, the above was me. found the link to CQ's site, it has all the info there

http://www.eqconquest.inet.net.nz

--Mortaelia Ex'Mortum
Necromancer, Lanys
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 20 2001 at 6:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) rofl does nobody read the message boards on Everquest.com? Conquest was disbanded for having 28 of its members cheating on a Sleeper's Tomb raid. They were caught, they admitted, they were disbanded. 26 members suspended and 2 banned. Anything Conquest did on the Plane of Growth was probably done through cheating as well, and therefore, is NOT legit.
RE: Alright, I think we've all had enough
# Jun 25 2001 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
omg, ure soooo nieve. if u ask hitler if the holocaust was wrong, what do u think u will hear? because you see black males on the news daily for viloent crimes, are ppl of color violent? you cant read/see crap and readily beleive it, without knowing the other side, and using personal intuition. my point is, u are getting ure info from everquest.com, (verant) who will, of course, justify their actions. Have u ever petitioned to a gm? they will say "i can't help you" or "u are violating policy" for the most insane circumstances. (eg: the zone crashes and ure raid gets waxed, triggered npc's not popping, etc) GMs arent very helpful, and biased towards the company's needs and not the players. Verant does a very good job at covering it's butt and making the most appealing excuses to satisfy the n00bie or gentle mannered player. I personally think that Conquest had a brilliant strategy and since there weren't any incidents like theirs beforehand, had no idea that they so-called "viloated" a rule. And making the sleeper awaken, and kill the raiders (the key to Sleeper's Tomb does not re-appear in your inventory when u die btw, making it quite a pain to get ur body) was crossing the line to me. So get your facts straight, and use your head. Things aren't always so simple as reading a post on Everquest.com.

Cannov 52 Druid
Souls of Mir
Prexus
RE: Alright, I think we've all had enough
# Jun 05 2001 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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"3. She's supposedly got 400khp. HOWEVER, I heard a rumor from a GM that EQ will not allow for them to make mobs with more than 32khp. To compensate for this, alot of mobs has INSANE HP REGEN rates, making it seem like they've got tons of hp. Until anyone shows me a numeric value for her hp and not a red bar, I shall still believe that's possible. "

The 32k mark was once true, but is true no longer. Essentially this was the issue: Whenever a player is fighting a mob, it's got a health bar, obviously, this is constantly updated per packet transfer between the server and the client (The player) Before Velious the packets transfered the HP information of a given nasty to the client in the form of it's current HP over its full. So Vox at half would be sent to the client as 16,000/32,000 Unfortunately packets can't display just that information as it's a binary process, so in order to show "16,000" in a packet it took a whole hell of a lot of data. Thus, the player would see "Vox at half, enchanters move your *** to work!" 32,000 was the max amount of data they could jam into a packet, thus that was the max amount of health on a monster.

The bright guys at Verant (Or dumbasses, this would have occured to any network programmer worth ANYTHING) realized with Velious that instead of displaying current over full you instead could just display a percentage of health at literally 1/32,000th of the information. Not only did this free up packet sizes a quite a bit, it also made the HP possibilities literally unlimited. Thus the big nasty mobs in Velious, Lord Yelinak, Tunare, etc, are able to have far more than 32k HP. So, on top of having more than the 32k mark, I'm sure Tunare also has a NASTY regen being a druid.

Anyhow, your GM was right, just outdated. =) This was on the developer forum quite sometime ago, not pulling this out of my ***, but wish I had a link to prove to yas. It's a shame most GMs don't actually keep up on current information. The other day I summoned a guide to ask if the drop rate on the threads in Velk's Lab had increased for the fifth shawl quest in Thurgadin, like everyone had been wishing. He proceeded to tell me that the fifth shawl quest wasn't even live, so he doubted it. Wish I'd gotten a screenshot to send to his superiors. =P

Anyway, I wish Verant would do some sort of contest for something like Tunare. "10,000 USD and an item of your choice to the guild that takes down Tunare!" Would not only get a lot of folks cracking at her, but would get a lot of folks hunting in places they'd all but given up on, and of course, keep them interested in a game who's day is soon to wane.

Good luck to the bold few trying to take her down still.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 12 2001 at 10:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You are an idiot. Please never apply for a job doing network programming where I work.
RE: Alright, I think we've all had enough
# Jun 12 2001 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
What a load of crap. I'm not an EQ programmer nor have I spent any amount of time hacking with EQ's network communication, but what the deal is is still quite simple to identify. The current number of hit points of the mob *was* being stored and transmitted as a 16-bit signed integer value, which has a range of -32768 to 32767. To increase the range of this value, the obvious solution is to use a 32-bit signed integer, which allows a range of -2147483648 to 2147483647. They also may have went to a 16-bit unsigned integer, which would allow a rang of 0 to 65535, but this would probably cause more problems with existing code.

Moving to a 32-bit HP would not cause any kind of amazing breakthrough decreased packet size as you allege; in reality, using a 32-bit field in a packet where a 16-bit field once was would *increase* packet size, albeit only by two bytes. Another thing is that you need to look beyond network packets to understand the scope of such a change. HP data is also stored and accessed in other places: the client process, the server processes, and server-side databases. Moving to 32-bit HP would have effects in all those places, and if such a change took place it probably took the programmers quite a bit of work to implement it.
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 1:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hehe looks like someone did his homework=)
tunare has never died
# Jun 03 2001 at 1:13 PM Rating: Default
tunare has never died on any server. SHE DOES NOT HAVE AN AOE SILENCE. her guardians do. she has a targeted silence spell. if you want to try her, you should kill the WHOLE ZONE to even have a little bit of a shot.well, to everyone, good luck with her and her 400k HP's, you'll need it :)
Here it goes
# Jun 03 2001 at 1:43 AM Rating: Default
All you folks saying Tunare has been killed - Bull. If you keep saying it, prove it.

Tunare has not been killed on any server, nor has Sleeper <-- will not be killed. Tunare IS possible, but, with over 400,000hp's is very difficult..
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 02 2001 at 12:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) she would be at 50%
Kill everything...
# Jun 01 2001 at 4:21 PM Rating: Default
This is the face of humanity...
This is why I don't like to group...
Frankly, people who feel the impulse to kill every single thing in the game scare the hell out of me. I can hear them now... "What good is the game if you can't go kill something?"
And I suppose you can argue that killing in the game might stop some deranged psychopath out there from killing in real life. But in truth, it dosen't really stop those feelings. You know what I'm talking about: people who can't tell the difference between real life and fantasy. And here's a news flash for you, there's alot of people like this playing the game. I've been to one of the Verant gatherings and it's kind of sad sometimes. Killing is the thing that these folks thrive on. Just look at these posts. "Phat lewts." That's all anyone goes after in this game.

I play for playing's sake. I've gotten several of my friend to play so we can have a night or two when we can all get together and just have some fun. But reading these posts really has struck a chord in me about the pure greed and vanity that simmers in the hearts of the human race. George Carlin had it right (and George, if you read this, please understand that I'm not a "follower" of your philosophy, just a sympathizer) when he said that among any group of people you'll find "a few winners and a whole lot of losers."

So with that said, flame away people. I expect this post to be followed by several others from outraged people with child-like mentalities and no spelling skills. I guess if you feel the need to respond with a flame, you've automatically identified yourself as one of the lost.

Just my 2 cp.

An anonymous bard
RE: Kill everything...
# Jun 15 2001 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
I'm not sure where you have been, but Everquest is actually (in my humble opinion) very boring. Swinging a stick repeatedly at ugly monsters for a couple hours is not my idea of excitement. My reason to play the game is to chat and accrue new items and armor. Of course I am interested in any "Phat Lewtz", any advantage that I can find through new armor I want to use.

By the way, look at the box, it reads as follows:

Teen
ANIMATED BLOOD & GORE
ANIMATED VIOLENCE
SUGGESTIVE THEMES

Clearly a game that contains violence is going to attract people who either crave a form of violence, or use it a subistitute. Most EQ players [zombie players at least] are a bit wierd to begin with, and after Verant's brainwashing.

People kill things because:
1. It will attack them
2. It is a monster and a perversion
3. To support their deity (some people do actually RP)

my 2 cents
druid,cleric,warrior,mage
#REDACTED, Posted: May 30 2001 at 1:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) AoD on Rodcet nife tried to kill her and failed once...So they decided to get some help, AoD and friends took her out on Rodcet Nife a while ago...and Da'Kor (not sure what server) has taken out The Sleeper and the head guy of the Coldain...
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 06 2001 at 6:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yep Da'Kor on erollisi Marr has taken the sleeper...i talked to them they're a big high level guild ranging 70+ 55+ people...
RE: Killed...
# Jun 15 2001 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
The Sleeper has NEVER EVER BEEN KILLED! No matter who says what is hasn't been killed.I could same the samething but how can you prove it.He will DT most of you guys and the sleeper has an AoE that goes through out the whole zone for 5k dmg so possibly you couldn't kill it!It would kill you soon as you just lay a finger on it!
RE: Killed...
# Jun 17 2001 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
for ur info the zone wide 5k dd CAN be resisted
here's a thought
# May 29 2001 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
alright, from what I'm gathering...

I'm fully aware of her aoe silence, been subject to it once before, and yes... it does suck. however, if bards (yes, those friggin bards we all make fun of) can cancel/dispell silence on groups... well, simple... make sure every group that's going to be healing/buffing has a bard in it.

now, she's a druid if I'm not mistaken. if she's like the other healer npc's in the game, what's she going to do if you leave one of her million hp mobs alive, and beaten senseless? if she acts like the rest, then she's going to blow her mana healing them, instead of beating ppl up. get the zone cleared, pull one of her million hp minions nearby, keep a tank/cleric/bard combo on it to keep it beaten down w/o killing it. see if she wastes her time trying to keep it alive while the rest of the raid force wails on her. will this work? dunno, never gotten anyone to take it seriously.

oh, and the night I saw her she had that sword as well... I would love to know what it is :)

good luck to any who wanna try this, just let everyone know if it works or not
RE: here's a thought
# Jun 05 2001 at 4:53 AM Rating: Default
sorry bud. her guardians are link aggroed to her. You usually aggro all 3
Tunare
# May 26 2001 at 3:37 PM Rating: Default
I am a 60 wizard a fw days afetr vel came out I went to the new zones I went to the tree where tunare was I wasnt kos she had a pet bear I tried to cast sunstrike on it It casted a spell anyone no what dd spell it casts
#Anonymous, Posted: May 26 2001 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I soloed her - Im a 60 necro. She has low mr so darkness and fear land easy. Then just kite her around, took 50-60min. Not too hard. Have to clear all other mobs first, that took a while also. Phat lewt!
#Anonymous, Posted: May 28 2001 at 7:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) stf up
#Anonymous, Posted: May 26 2001 at 4:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If tunare if the woodelf mother... why the hell does she look like a high elf, they ***** this game up!
#Anonymous, Posted: May 26 2001 at 4:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think this is funny, we are all "uber" addicted to this game don't lie this is our crack. Verant are the smartest people there are business wise.. They make "uber" mobs like the gods and sleeper to ensure there will always be something that has not been killed and people want to keep trying. I just think its soo funny if you think about it. They are smart as hell for doing it and I cant wait to see what "uber" mob they make after all the unkillable ones are killed.. ps f-u-c-k you dont even talk s-h-i-t about my post. Think about it its great bussiness and funny and it keeps us all ******** at each other and happy
UBER
# May 26 2001 at 4:05 AM Rating: Default
EVERYONE QUIT ******* SAYING UBER OR ILL UBER RAPE YOU A NEWASSHOLE SUCH A DUMB *** WORD UBER EAT MY ***
#Anonymous, Posted: May 26 2001 at 9:49 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree. I think if I see the U word one more freaking time...
She's not going down for a while
# May 24 2001 at 7:24 AM Rating: Default
Bard's can dispell the AE silence, that would help a ton. Still, the sheer number of people (all 57+ btw) needed would creat ungodly lag, freeze comps and many many people would go LD. Not to mention the fact that half of them would have to wait for the others to die in order to get close enough to hit her, for those that don't know many uber mobs must be cast on from point blank, I would assume it is the same for Tunare.

PS: first char was wood elf druid, always worried about Tunare being put into the game so the darkies could kill her, glad to see it's not the case ; )
In the naem of fun
# May 24 2001 at 3:35 AM Rating: Default
Anyone besides me ever charged her tree ???? Talk about fun !


Kahois shadowstarr,51 Reaver
Knights of sojourn, tunare
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