Scars of Veliouswhat the heck is the matter with you people?
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#Anonymous,
Posted: Apr 19 2001 at 7:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) where did you learn to read? i would recomend hooked on phonics. When you want to reply to someones statements, try reading the whole thing.
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“And since you obviously aren't lvl 60, or know any 60 Rogues. The message about the 6000 damage is called Assassinate, what lvl 60 Rogues (Assassins) can do at random to MOBs, it is designed to kill old world bosses. I.E. Naggy and Vox. So that is 6000 damage (maybe 6500).”
Tanner, there are a few holes in your logic here. 1) I believe anyone around level 50 on a Naggy or Vox raid that attempts to kill the mob will automatically be shown to the door by the mob. Verant changed this so uber guilds couldn’t kill the mobs over and over and the 40’s would never get a chance. Even if rogues could assassinate old world mobs at one point, I don’t know how the hell a rogue, or any loner for that matter, would make it out alive. What’s the point of all that loot if its rotting while you’re on a CR? 2) There is also a level cap on assassinate. I looked on everlore.com, this site, and Caster’s Realm. However, I’m positive that a rogue just can’t sneak up to a 50+ level mob and assassinate it. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 3) And finally, what I meant by everyone doing 6,000 damage was just that. Everyone in a group contributes to a mob’s death in one way or another. Wizards nuke, warriors attack/get attacked, clerics heal, and yes, rogues add their damage or defense output in the thousands.
“Where the target must not move, if they are rooted, Mezed, or any other method of keeping a MOB stationary. Making the ranger double damage useless. Since pulling almost always missed, and the lvl 55 skill requires a lot of maybes, and if’s to work the best.”
Guess what again? All the disadvantages you listed apply to every class that uses the bow. And realistically speaking, you have to be one lucky ******* to get a critical using a projectile weapon on a moving target. It’s the same with rogues; mob moves and your shuriken doesn’t get a critical or deadly strike. But we DO have a bonus: for some absurd reason we take damage from mob shields, whether or not the mob is stationary.
Pulling mobs is just that, pulling. If you can kill a mob with a pull or bring it down to half life you’re not going to get experience. Your complaints have to do with rangers, not rogues. Waiting for Adarra’s bow to post complaints on the ranger looks like equipment-envy. A weapon, even a uber weapon, does NOT define a class.
Whenever someone sees an item they’d like for their class but don’t know how to get their points across to Verant, and/or realize their wishes aren’t going to come true, well, if they can’t have it, no one should. That's what you're showing me, and that doesn't say much.
Tanner, there are a few holes in your logic here. 1) I believe anyone around level 50 on a Naggy or Vox raid that attempts to kill the mob will automatically be shown to the door by the mob. Verant changed this so uber guilds couldn’t kill the mobs over and over and the 40’s would never get a chance. Even if rogues could assassinate old world mobs at one point, I don’t know how the hell a rogue, or any loner for that matter, would make it out alive. What’s the point of all that loot if its rotting while you’re on a CR? 2) There is also a level cap on assassinate. I looked on everlore.com, this site, and Caster’s Realm. However, I’m positive that a rogue just can’t sneak up to a 50+ level mob and assassinate it. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 3) And finally, what I meant by everyone doing 6,000 damage was just that. Everyone in a group contributes to a mob’s death in one way or another. Wizards nuke, warriors attack/get attacked, clerics heal, and yes, rogues add their damage or defense output in the thousands.
“Where the target must not move, if they are rooted, Mezed, or any other method of keeping a MOB stationary. Making the ranger double damage useless. Since pulling almost always missed, and the lvl 55 skill requires a lot of maybes, and if’s to work the best.”
Guess what again? All the disadvantages you listed apply to every class that uses the bow. And realistically speaking, you have to be one lucky ******* to get a critical using a projectile weapon on a moving target. It’s the same with rogues; mob moves and your shuriken doesn’t get a critical or deadly strike. But we DO have a bonus: for some absurd reason we take damage from mob shields, whether or not the mob is stationary.
Pulling mobs is just that, pulling. If you can kill a mob with a pull or bring it down to half life you’re not going to get experience. Your complaints have to do with rangers, not rogues. Waiting for Adarra’s bow to post complaints on the ranger looks like equipment-envy. A weapon, even a uber weapon, does NOT define a class.
Whenever someone sees an item they’d like for their class but don’t know how to get their points across to Verant, and/or realize their wishes aren’t going to come true, well, if they can’t have it, no one should. That's what you're showing me, and that doesn't say much.
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I may get heat just from responding to this post, but that's fine if you must vent. I don't play either a rogue or a ranger, but I feel that both classes have been jilted in the long run for equipment or skills. Rangers have over all the best "choices" in bows for the game. I think its great that Rogues now have something that they can use, even if it means losing tons of time and plat to get it. As for the 6000 damage spell, think about it, you have to be level 60, and just how many Rangers u see floating around with that kind of rate anyway? Bows by nature are very unperdictable, used 9 times out of 10 for pulling. So you may get of 1 or 2 shots at best on most mobs anyway. Get over it, if the class is too hard for you, change your character to something more suited to your needs. I say don't whine anymore, let them have the bow, and go on living, Variant is constantly upgrading weapons, so I'm sure there will be something else for Rangers anyway.
Laene Spectreslayer
Crystalline Avengers
Bristolbane Server
Laene Spectreslayer
Crystalline Avengers
Bristolbane Server
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Double post. :|
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...My God the bandwith on this site and everlore.com's is terrible. I couldn't get to the page.
For interested parties, the Coldain insignia ring starts in Thurgadin. Go to Quests > By Zone.
For interested parties, the Coldain insignia ring starts in Thurgadin. Go to Quests > By Zone.
Anonymous
Can anyone tell me where I can find information on the series of quests that will allow me to get this bow?
Anonymous
And all the silly little blubies forget what this weapon would do for a rogue against the annoying casters that like to Shadow Step around open area zones...Grow up children It's a game
Anonymous
6 posts
Someone wrote:
"But you only need like 2 uber guilds to help you get it."
Are you saying that the Coldain ring quests are a walk through the park? Listen, if you want to tie a blindfold behind your head and ignore what everyone's said so far about what it takes to get the Adarra bow, be my guest. Feel some pity for rangers in order to justify the moaning.
"Better stuff is all over."
Why don't you go get it?
"Can never taunt off me after a proc or two."
Yanno... when this monk gave me the stiletto of the bloodclaw as a teen, he warned me about the proc. I knew what I was getting into, but I didn't say the dagger sucked because of the taunt. This is related how to Adarra's?
"Rogues can lower their aggro."
Evade. You can temporarily get bumped down the hate list. It was easy as pie before the "nerf." But in the end, the mob never forgets you.
"...do massive damage (6000 possible at lvl 60)."
I hope you mean during the whole fight. Guess what? Lots of levels do that damage at 60 using their talents, especially taking down insane mobs like Velketor.
"Travel through any dungeon with hide/sneak."
See Invisible is still a death warrant.
"And solo many mobs using instill methods."
My Instill Doubt is nearly maxed. I must be doing something wrong. Got any pointers?
"Masters of the bow now have to give up their title to rogues."
I've already said how this is impossible.
"Wasn't it bad enough when warrior's skill matched ours? Now Rog equipment surpasses it."
If you are feeling this badly for rangers maybe you should browse AllaKhazam's gear list. That'll perk you up. This entire post has read like a public plead for the ranger class to bypass the same BS all the other classes have to endure:
A certain class is not owed EXCLUSIVE access to top of the line, hallmark weapons and armor.
"But you only need like 2 uber guilds to help you get it."
Are you saying that the Coldain ring quests are a walk through the park? Listen, if you want to tie a blindfold behind your head and ignore what everyone's said so far about what it takes to get the Adarra bow, be my guest. Feel some pity for rangers in order to justify the moaning.
"Better stuff is all over."
Why don't you go get it?
"Can never taunt off me after a proc or two."
Yanno... when this monk gave me the stiletto of the bloodclaw as a teen, he warned me about the proc. I knew what I was getting into, but I didn't say the dagger sucked because of the taunt. This is related how to Adarra's?
"Rogues can lower their aggro."
Evade. You can temporarily get bumped down the hate list. It was easy as pie before the "nerf." But in the end, the mob never forgets you.
"...do massive damage (6000 possible at lvl 60)."
I hope you mean during the whole fight. Guess what? Lots of levels do that damage at 60 using their talents, especially taking down insane mobs like Velketor.
"Travel through any dungeon with hide/sneak."
See Invisible is still a death warrant.
"And solo many mobs using instill methods."
My Instill Doubt is nearly maxed. I must be doing something wrong. Got any pointers?
"Masters of the bow now have to give up their title to rogues."
I've already said how this is impossible.
"Wasn't it bad enough when warrior's skill matched ours? Now Rog equipment surpasses it."
If you are feeling this badly for rangers maybe you should browse AllaKhazam's gear list. That'll perk you up. This entire post has read like a public plead for the ranger class to bypass the same BS all the other classes have to endure:
A certain class is not owed EXCLUSIVE access to top of the line, hallmark weapons and armor.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Apr 18 2001 at 9:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, lets talk. first off, that little post showing a lvl 60 ranger tear apart someone. Like when in hell will that EVEr happn to a Mob? It must be STANDING. Unrooted, un MEZEd, un everything. You can't even stun and run that fast.
OK, I see why you are anonymous... you knew you were gonna get heat from this one.
I am a Ranger, haven't hit 60 yet, but slowly getting there at 40. I am getting ready for the big time and loving it. With your post, you must be in your teens, haven't figured out how to bow-kite a mob and are very frustrated that you can't wear bronze armor like your pally buddy can.
Get over the bow. If the rogue has done all that is neccessary to obtain this piece of equipment, believe me, they earned it (note the none-twinkability of this NO-DROP weapon)! So what if we don't have a bow with stat adds this good. Who Cares? Look at the rogue's particle weapon. Let's face it, minor stats, minor proc. It sucks (this is from most rogues that I know). Look at most of the other class particle weapons. Ranger included. Our stat adds are pretty friggin` nice with great weapon proc's to boot. AND WE get TWO of them. One for each hand! I feel like a kid with two cookies just thinking about it.
As for a Rogue being able to crit/assasinate a mob in one shot... Naggy or Vox don't go down THAT easy, but a shot like that WOULD guarantee the rogue a very concentrated effort for a quick and painful death by the MoB so targeted.
Rangers get to crit with a bow, regardless of whether the mob is moving, stationary, picking it's nose, whatever. I have done 66 point crits. WOOT! I do not begrudge the rogue the opportunity to take a few potshots at the mob to do a few points of damage while it is incoming. Hell, we could all use a good piece of equipment to help us get that much more damage out before melee becomes inevitable and death becomes that much more certain.
Fact: No Rogue will EVER touch a Ranger in their ability to use a bow to it's fullest potential.
Fact: Any Rogue that has this piece has earned a kick butt weapon and DESERVES IT!
To you Rogues... WOOT!
I am a Ranger, haven't hit 60 yet, but slowly getting there at 40. I am getting ready for the big time and loving it. With your post, you must be in your teens, haven't figured out how to bow-kite a mob and are very frustrated that you can't wear bronze armor like your pally buddy can.
Get over the bow. If the rogue has done all that is neccessary to obtain this piece of equipment, believe me, they earned it (note the none-twinkability of this NO-DROP weapon)! So what if we don't have a bow with stat adds this good. Who Cares? Look at the rogue's particle weapon. Let's face it, minor stats, minor proc. It sucks (this is from most rogues that I know). Look at most of the other class particle weapons. Ranger included. Our stat adds are pretty friggin` nice with great weapon proc's to boot. AND WE get TWO of them. One for each hand! I feel like a kid with two cookies just thinking about it.
As for a Rogue being able to crit/assasinate a mob in one shot... Naggy or Vox don't go down THAT easy, but a shot like that WOULD guarantee the rogue a very concentrated effort for a quick and painful death by the MoB so targeted.
Rangers get to crit with a bow, regardless of whether the mob is moving, stationary, picking it's nose, whatever. I have done 66 point crits. WOOT! I do not begrudge the rogue the opportunity to take a few potshots at the mob to do a few points of damage while it is incoming. Hell, we could all use a good piece of equipment to help us get that much more damage out before melee becomes inevitable and death becomes that much more certain.
Fact: No Rogue will EVER touch a Ranger in their ability to use a bow to it's fullest potential.
Fact: Any Rogue that has this piece has earned a kick butt weapon and DESERVES IT!
To you Rogues... WOOT!
Anonymous
Hmm… lets see. To get the 2 best Ranger bows in the game, you say you need 2 uber guilds. To get this bow, you just need to kill a MOB in EW right. Do you even know how long and hard this quest is? Did you know that part of this quest needs a poison made that isn't even trivial at lvl 250 and that the components are impossible for the casual gamer to get. Not to mention the 100+ hours needed of role-playing to complete all 9 quests before you see the lvl 60+ mob that drops the bow. Ohh yeah, piece of cake to get this bow. And who cares if a rogue has to spend hundreds if not thousands of plat to complete all 9 phases. Shoot, the 9 coldain ring quests are a piece of cake right. So STFU, stop complaining, go lvl and work on your own damn ranger bow. About time they gave us rogues a nice range slot that’s also helpful in pulling. My archery skill sucks but if I could ever get this bow I would slave to bring it up. Maybe not, I’d just wear it for stats. But I already ruined my coldain faction so I have no chance in getting one. But I'll be proud of any rogue who saved the urge to join the giants faction to hold out and finish these almost impossible quests. You went against the majority of EQers in hope of a great reward and you now have that reward. I salute you. CHEERS.
Anonymous
I do admit, I don't mind that this is Rogue only... But the fact that Verant isn't trying harder to make Rangers a better class!!?? Do you know how hard it is for a Ranger to get a group in places like Seb/Karnors? IT SUCKS! And Rangers aren't even heavily based on what they stand for, a Ranger is a BOW class, THATS what they use as their main weapon... But no, they have to be the weakest hibrid that deals the most hybrid melee damage and has NO ability like HT or LoH, just track... which other classes get too...
Come on alreay Verant... Put some focus into making Rangers, Shadowknights, and Wizards a more playable and likable class.
Come on alreay Verant... Put some focus into making Rangers, Shadowknights, and Wizards a more playable and likable class.
Anonymous
heh from my experience its kinda hard to find a group to join in karnor/seb no matter what class you are=P
Anonymous
just because rogues actually get a decent bow is no reason for rangers to get angry..we don't get critical hits like rangers. And besides, not many rogues have complained about the dragonhorn ykesha being ranger only=)
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Oh for crying out loud. Will you reel it in already!
“Rangers have to go to Sleeper's Tomb to get a bow this good. Totally outrageous that Rogues can get it so easily, or at all for that matter.”
Hey anonymous, why don’t YOU try doing the Coldain insignia ring quest, the one that triggers the mob with the Addarra’s bow, and say how easy it is to get this bow again. I dare you.
Easy zone does not = easy mob trigger nor easy mob.
Someone else wrote:
“Why should they get an item that’s truly awesome in the only area of combat that a ranger excels at? Rangers should be the best archers and have the best bows.”
That’s easy. Because no matter what stupendous bow Verant can whip of for rogues, rangers will remain the best archers. Rogues don’t get critical hits with bows. I have a screen shot of a ranger friend scoring a 572 critical hit on a drolvarg bodyguard. The closest a rogue can come to that amount of damage is the epic weapon. Rogues can’t cast snare on the mob and SoW on themselves. Adarra’s bow is clearly meant for pulling and fun shots. Before anyone else whines aloud, equip your ranger with a shuriken, run up to a shardwurm, and see if you can pull it without getting blasted by the breath weapon.
“TONE THE DAMN STATS DOWN! Would a rogue be saying the same thing if I had a better piercer that he does?”
Guess what, Runeman? Rangers, SK’s and paladins DO get better piercers than rogues, and I’m not talking about the Velious 2HP. Rangers like rogues won’t get what they want because it would unbalance the game. A 16dmg, 25delay piercer in the hands of a rogue is outrageous.
Silvermark Wrote:
“What the hell [do an] SK or Pally need with a bow, or a rogue.”
Let’s turn it around and ask, “What the hell does a ranger need a piercer for?” Your question no longer seems fair, does it.
“Rangers have to go to Sleeper's Tomb to get a bow this good. Totally outrageous that Rogues can get it so easily, or at all for that matter.”
Hey anonymous, why don’t YOU try doing the Coldain insignia ring quest, the one that triggers the mob with the Addarra’s bow, and say how easy it is to get this bow again. I dare you.
Easy zone does not = easy mob trigger nor easy mob.
Someone else wrote:
“Why should they get an item that’s truly awesome in the only area of combat that a ranger excels at? Rangers should be the best archers and have the best bows.”
That’s easy. Because no matter what stupendous bow Verant can whip of for rogues, rangers will remain the best archers. Rogues don’t get critical hits with bows. I have a screen shot of a ranger friend scoring a 572 critical hit on a drolvarg bodyguard. The closest a rogue can come to that amount of damage is the epic weapon. Rogues can’t cast snare on the mob and SoW on themselves. Adarra’s bow is clearly meant for pulling and fun shots. Before anyone else whines aloud, equip your ranger with a shuriken, run up to a shardwurm, and see if you can pull it without getting blasted by the breath weapon.
“TONE THE DAMN STATS DOWN! Would a rogue be saying the same thing if I had a better piercer that he does?”
Guess what, Runeman? Rangers, SK’s and paladins DO get better piercers than rogues, and I’m not talking about the Velious 2HP. Rangers like rogues won’t get what they want because it would unbalance the game. A 16dmg, 25delay piercer in the hands of a rogue is outrageous.
Silvermark Wrote:
“What the hell [do an] SK or Pally need with a bow, or a rogue.”
Let’s turn it around and ask, “What the hell does a ranger need a piercer for?” Your question no longer seems fair, does it.
Anonymous
I be Silvermark and i do have a clue two classes really pull those are the ranger and the monk. what the hell does a sk or pally need with a bow or a rogue. I know warriors can use them which makes a lot of nice bows warriors. But remeber who has that bow spining around on there inventory screen now that stands for something. Rangers need good bows i got a weak Spectral Bow since a Dag gone Sk or was it a Pally beat me out on Skydarreken just to hold it in his inventory. I need a bow easy to get which is cake for a high ranger. all others require me to kill a dragon or dragons or go to the planes. Some nice and simple like this Should be for Rangers if not even get a bow doing the dag gone epic quest.
Anonymous
Ranger and monk are great pullers...when in your group. I seldom have either in my group while going for exp - not because i dont want them, there just arent that many. I have seen all classes pull - even clerics (when he got bored).
The point is there are not only two pulling classes. The guy who said pull with BS is either very low level or dead - a lot. Yah, we can throw but have you checked the range on our throwing stuff. OOOOHH, a chance to crit at range 65ish vs a solid hit at 150+. As a rogue, i can sneak up and scout the area looking for the best pull with least chance of adds from a nice distance.
Also, none of our bows that i can think of have a proc. The Windsaber is a nice bow (RNG only) with a good proc. Your quest Bow of the Huntsman is also good with a proc.
I dont have this bow...yet. I am only on the 3rd step but hope to in a couple months.
BTW, i think your epic should be a bow. This is not meant to be a personnal or class attack. As another previously posted, just because a class got a nice item doesnt mean it will steal a trademark ability. Look at some of the piercers coming from vel, 12 20 and better, not rogue only. I am not nor will i scream to make them no drop or rogue only. Personally, i think all quest obtained items should be no drop and not able to multi-quest.
The point is there are not only two pulling classes. The guy who said pull with BS is either very low level or dead - a lot. Yah, we can throw but have you checked the range on our throwing stuff. OOOOHH, a chance to crit at range 65ish vs a solid hit at 150+. As a rogue, i can sneak up and scout the area looking for the best pull with least chance of adds from a nice distance.
Also, none of our bows that i can think of have a proc. The Windsaber is a nice bow (RNG only) with a good proc. Your quest Bow of the Huntsman is also good with a proc.
I dont have this bow...yet. I am only on the 3rd step but hope to in a couple months.
BTW, i think your epic should be a bow. This is not meant to be a personnal or class attack. As another previously posted, just because a class got a nice item doesnt mean it will steal a trademark ability. Look at some of the piercers coming from vel, 12 20 and better, not rogue only. I am not nor will i scream to make them no drop or rogue only. Personally, i think all quest obtained items should be no drop and not able to multi-quest.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Thurgadin initially. Part of the coldain ring quest.
Anonymous
I think yall are missing the point ... I applaud rogues for finally getting a nice rogue only bow ... thats not the problem. the problem is the QUALITY of this bow. the first poster noted for a ranger to get a bow of this quality has to go to temple of veeshan,or the 8th isle of sky, or kill woushi. where rogues just have to kill a triggered spawn in an easy as **** zone is what bothers me. Rangers have been yelling to fix archery and this is just a slap in the face ...
Where is our ranger only, similar to rage, that drops in LOIO? Doesn't exist ... I don't want it. TONE THE DAMN STATS DOWN! would a rogue be saying the same thing if I had a better piercer that he does? or a wizzie if I had a better staff? or a warrior swords? ya get my point I hope
Runeman Bearknight
54th pathfinder E'ci
Officer Crimson Legacy
Where is our ranger only, similar to rage, that drops in LOIO? Doesn't exist ... I don't want it. TONE THE DAMN STATS DOWN! would a rogue be saying the same thing if I had a better piercer that he does? or a wizzie if I had a better staff? or a warrior swords? ya get my point I hope
Runeman Bearknight
54th pathfinder E'ci
Officer Crimson Legacy
Anonymous
You also miss the point. The zone is easy, the trigger is not. Part of the 8th or 9th ring quest - very time consuming, no multi questing. To get this bow could easily take 100hours of .... drum role please, roleplaying (and lots of luck)
Anonymous
Bah!!!!! Rogues are the best sneakin/lockpickin/poison applyin/corpse recoverin/secondary tank ( backstabbin) class. They can do things no others can do or do as well.
Why should they get an item thats truely awesome in the only area of combat that a ranger excells at? Rangers should be the best archers and have the best bows. Verant give your head a shake.
PS: I forgot trap disarming as nother rogue only occupation.
Why should they get an item thats truely awesome in the only area of combat that a ranger excells at? Rangers should be the best archers and have the best bows. Verant give your head a shake.
PS: I forgot trap disarming as nother rogue only occupation.
Anonymous
Anonymous
Rangers have to go to Sleeper's Tomb to get a bow this good.
Totally outrageous that Rogues can get it so easily, or at all for that matter. It has been Verant's policy in the past that Rangers are the best archers because they get the best bows. Now Rogues get one that's better than anything found outside of the hardest zone in the game.
Totally outrageous that Rogues can get it so easily, or at all for that matter. It has been Verant's policy in the past that Rangers are the best archers because they get the best bows. Now Rogues get one that's better than anything found outside of the hardest zone in the game.
Anonymous
This bow drops off Peffin in the coldain Insignia ring quest while killing one of the mobs to complete the nineth ring. The mob with the bow is a triggered spawn, She does not have it if you kill her without handing in the items.
Anonymous
Personally, I would take this bow of the Test of Ranged Attack bow any day. You dont use your bow that often. I spend alot of time swapping out my ranged attack slot with stat items.
I once threw a runed bone fork away on accident. I little less damge/dly ratio for ac and resist I would take any day. I mean, unless you got tolans bracer, you can't use a bow more than one or two figths anyway before your out of arrows.
I once threw a runed bone fork away on accident. I little less damge/dly ratio for ac and resist I would take any day. I mean, unless you got tolans bracer, you can't use a bow more than one or two figths anyway before your out of arrows.
http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/item.html?item=5522
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Anonymous
as far as i know you need a drop from the hand of veeshan to complete the windstriker =P
Thorian Runesinger
Virtuoso of Bristlebane
Thorian Runesinger
Virtuoso of Bristlebane
Anonymous
No one said it was easy....
Anonymous
How come whenever a class gets a good item, every other class makes it seem like its some sort of insult to them, so a rogue got a good bow, so what. rangers still have plenty of good bows, so why don't you quit all you "Pledgew to change this bow" BS and just be happy that the rogues got a good item, its not like something was taken away from you.
Anonymous
sorry bout typin BS, hhe, meant it for backstab. backstab is what rogues should pull with imo. But stats on bow is very nice. use in range for stats
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